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Posted on 2012.12.14 at 16:02


argyle_s at 2012-12-22 01:47 (UTC) (Link)
I haven't said anything about this post yet, but it's been burning in the back of my mind since you made it. Now, I've found something to say.


Go. Read. Don't skip a word.
Jonathan Andrew Sheen
leviathan0999 at 2012-12-22 09:37 (UTC) (Link)
I skipped words. In fact, I stopped in the middle of his call to arm teachers, when it became clear that he's not interested in a real solution, because he doesn't believe there's a real problem.

The numbers are real and speak for themselves. Compare gun deaths in America with numbers anywhere in the civilized world. Either we're significantly more homicidal than everybody else, or strong gun control works to save lives, and we don't care.

Either fits my subject. We're fucking crazy. The whole world knows it.

Correia may well have the perfect recipe to most safely negotiate a country swimming in firearms, but he thinks a country swimming in firearms is perfectly okay. He's rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
argyle_s at 2012-12-22 18:55 (UTC) (Link)
You're missing a single major point my friend. Gun control doesn't work. Look at the UK. They banned guns. Their violent crime rate has skyrocketed. Australia banned guns. Guess what. Their violent crime rate has skyrocketed.

The numbers say a lot. They just don't say what you claim they say. The highest crime rates in the US are in the cities which have the strictest gun control. Every time a state has enacted concealed carry laws, that state has seen a marked drop in violent crime.

If you had read the entire essay, you would have gotten to one of the most telling bits. The Brady Campaign, the people who are the strongest advocates for gun control in the country, place the number of incidents where armed civilians use guns to stop crime at 108,000 a year, verses 16,000 criminal shootings each year. That means that even the strongest anti-gun advocates in the country admit that guns are used to stop crimes 6.75 times for every crime they are involved in. Considering that most incedents where a gun is used to stop a crime don't get reported by the police because no shots are fired, the Brady Campaign's numbers are extremely low, since they are only using reported incidents.

But, if none of that convinces you, let me relay an incident that happened at my high school. It's one of the reasons I'm absolutely convinced that Correia is right about arming teachers.

During my junior year, we had an incident where our two resource officers (Sheriff's deputies who were assigned to the school) were following a student through the commons during lunch. The student pulled a gun and pointed it at the head of another student, dragging her out of her chair and taking her hostage. The resource officers didn't try to negotiate. They didn't talk to the little shit. They both drew their weapons and ordered him to let the girl go and drop his weapon. Which is exactly what he did, as soon as he finished pissing his pants.

And before you start on about how gun control would have stopped the kid from having the gun in the first place, I'll pr-emptively call bullshit, because it was illegal for him to have a handgun to begin with, as he was about 16, the weapon was concealed, and he was on a High School Campus. He broke three laws, just by having the gun.

Something else to consider. I spent as a middle school and high school teacher. At both the high school and middle school they had identical policies for how to deal with a gunman in the building. Close the classroom door, turn off the lights, move the students so they can't been throw the window in the door, and hope the gunman doesn't kick the door in and kill everybody. Honestly, if there had been any way I could have legally done so, you bet your ass I would have gotten a gun and CC permit, and been armed every day.

Because it doesn't matter if you outlaw guns. It doesn't matter if you confiscate all the guns in the US. If you can make an AK-47 on a village forge in Afghanistan using 7th century technology in less than a day, how hard do you think it will be for criminals to set up a $20K machine shop in the US to turn out guns?

Go back, read the entire article. Correia makes a lot of good points. It may not change your mind, but you are currently seriously misinformed on a lot of things, and Correia covers a lot of those things.
Jonathan Andrew Sheen
leviathan0999 at 2012-12-24 23:54 (UTC) (Link)
Look at the UK. They banned guns. Their violent crime rate has skyrocketed. Australia banned guns. Guess what. Their violent crime rate has skyrocketed.

So Correia claims, but official numbers from the Australian and British governments don't bear him out:



Assaults have gone up considerably, but not what I'd call "skyrocketing." Robbery and sexual assault stayed roughly where they were, and kidnapping and homicide are so rare as to be difficult to measure.



Homicide, including attempted murder (measured to examine the theory that the drop in murder rates was due to greater survival rates due to improvements in medical science) are at 30-year lows. Burglarly and car theft have dropped due to improvements in home/car security systems. "Violence against the person" has been dropping steadily. Offenses overall are down a third in the last ten years.
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